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Post by campy on Dec 3, 2021 11:12:10 GMT -5
Barbados is no longer a Constitutional Monarchy. It's a republic.
Should Canada follow suit?
Well in my opinion we should stay as far away as possible of becoming like the United States which in my opinion is one of the most corrupt countries in the civilized world.
The powers a president has is atrocious. It's like a dictatorship.
The pardons especially and the executive laws or actions.
And the only way you can stop him is with impeachment. And you see how that works when the Senate votes the party line.
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Post by peeves on Dec 3, 2021 13:39:54 GMT -5
Barbados is no longer a Constitutional Monarchy. It's a republic. Should Canada follow suit? Well in my opinion we should stay as far away as possible of becoming like the United States which in my opinion is one of the most corrupt countries in the civilized world. The powers a president has is atrocious. It's like a dictatorship. The pardons especially and the executive laws or actions. And the only way you can stop him is with impeachment. And you see how that works when the Senate votes the party line. Firstly let me say that all things considered the USA as a voting democracy with laws, a legal-judicial system is one of the,least corrupt and by far one of the top countries to live in. Anyone thinking otherwise has to be pretty ignorant of human rights, civil rights and living standards W.W.
Secondly, the role of the POTUS is subject to the will of the people (who elect him) and nothing compatible to a dictator.
Thirdly, I wonder why I bother to respond to inane claims as these, none of which can be reasonably, logically or factually supported.
How anyone can switch from a subject of Barbados to denigrate the USA is beyond the pale.
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Post by campy on Dec 3, 2021 13:57:09 GMT -5
If you can't see the corruption in the United States you are blind.
Don't bother responding till you get glasses.
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Post by campy on Dec 3, 2021 14:02:15 GMT -5
In 2020, Transparency International ranked the United States as the 25th-least-corrupt country (of 180 countries ranked), falling from 18th since 2016. This ranking places the United States between Bhutan (24) and Chile (26) on corrupt practices in government and other institutions.
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Post by peeves on Dec 4, 2021 11:27:50 GMT -5
Quote: " Well in my opinion we should stay as far away as possible of becoming like the United States which in my opinion is one of the most corrupt countries in the civilized world."
(Emphasis mine)
When a wildly hyperbolic statement as such above is made it serves to reflect on the validity of the statement and,--- the lack of veracity of the proponent.
 BTW , 'that' quoted statement in my opinion is one of the most corrupted claim ever made in the civilized world and...beyond...
See, that's hyperbole.
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Post by campy on Dec 4, 2021 15:54:49 GMT -5
The U.S. is rated somewhere between Bhutan and Chile when it comes to corrupted practices . Get a life peeves.
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Post by peeves on Dec 5, 2021 10:52:09 GMT -5
The U.S. is rated somewhere between Bhutan and Chile when it comes to corrupted practices . Get a life peeves. " the United States which in my opinion is one of the most corrupt countries in the civilized world."
OK, just so long as you now admit you're wrong in your opinion as often is the case with outrageous claims and opinions. |
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Post by campy on Dec 5, 2021 11:44:46 GMT -5
"OK, just so long as you now admit you're wrong in your opinion as often is the case with outrageous claims and opinions.
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Pfft. You may want Canada to join the United States as a republic.
You would be in the minority.
Get a life peeves.
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Post by wildbill on Dec 5, 2021 23:48:20 GMT -5
I would not want Canada to become a republic. Our problem is not that we have a British style parliamentary system. It's that we don't have a PROPER British style parliamentary system!
The idea of a two House parliament is for one to represent the population and one to represent the regions. Congress and Senate, Commons and House of Lords, all are designed to strike a balance between the will of the majority and the needs of regions both big and small.
Lord knows how many such parliaments exist in the world. The British Commonwealth left a lot of them. I suppose I could google the count but that is not the point which is that Canada has a poor and butchered system!
We are the ONLY such parliamentary system in the world where the upper Senate House is unelected, powerless and used as a home for party bagmen! Pierre Trudeau had such contempt for our Senate he made his chaffeur a Senator!
This was an important plank in the old Reform Party's platform. They fought for a Triple E Senate, which would be equal, elected and effective.
Just another idea which when the old Conservative Party merged with them was buried so far down as to never again see the light of day.
O my country, I weep for thee!
Wild Bill
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Post by peeves on Dec 6, 2021 8:51:31 GMT -5
I would not want Canada to become a republic. Our problem is not that we have a British style parliamentary system. It's that we don't have a PROPER British style parliamentary system! The idea of a two House parliament is for one to represent the population and one to represent the regions. Congress and Senate, Commons and House of Lords, all are designed to strike a balance between the will of the majority and the needs of regions both big and small. Lord knows how many such parliaments exist in the world. The British Commonwealth left a lot of them. I suppose I could google the count but that is not the point which is that Canada has a poor and butchered system! We are the ONLY such parliamentary system in the world where the upper Senate House is unelected, powerless and used as a home for party bagmen! Pierre Trudeau had such contempt for our Senate he made his chaffeur a Senator! This was an important plank in the old Reform Party's platform. They fought for a Triple E Senate, which would be equal, elected and effective. Just another idea which when the old Conservative Party merged with them was buried so far down as to never again see the light of day. O my country, I weep for thee! Wild Bill Well stated. I'd like to see the royalty gone mainly it seems due to the G.G. appointees. |
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Post by campy on Dec 6, 2021 8:56:03 GMT -5
So what we have now, is that three responding to the topic, do not want Canada to become a republic like the United States.
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Post by wildbill on Dec 6, 2021 14:06:19 GMT -5
I didn't say that I didn't want Canada to become a republic. Rather, I gave my thoughts on why we have a very flawed constitutional monarchy.
Removing the monarchy is purely a symbolic move that in the real world accomplishes nothing, other than throwing out generations of history. Still, I would not stand against it as long as it came about from an open referendum among the general population.
Canada is a Dominion. We are an independent country that shares a monarchy with Great Britain. Britain has ZERO say over us and in real world practice neither has the monarchy.
So why waste our time on a diversion when we have other real and true grievous problems?
How about ending rigid party solidarity on government voting?
Wild Bill
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Post by peeves on Dec 6, 2021 16:21:43 GMT -5
I didn't say that I didn't want Canada to become a republic. Rather, I gave my thoughts on why we have a very flawed constitutional monarchy. Removing the monarchy is purely a symbolic move that in the real world accomplishes nothing, other than throwing out generations of history. Still, I would not stand against it as long as it came about from an open referendum among the general population. Canada is a Dominion. We are an independent country that shares a monarchy with Great Britain. Britain has ZERO say over us and in real world practice neither has the monarchy. So why waste our time on a diversion when we have other real and true grievous problems? How about ending rigid party solidarity on government voting? Wild Bill I have no problem in a divorce from any royalist ties to Britain, after our lovely queen is finished. What we have now is simply a figurehead monarchy that serves us little to no purpose in governing our country.
Separation from the UK in royal matters is inevitable. We certainly do not need a royal head of state from a different country. We don't need a G.G. as we such have.
A Republic is not necessarily a bad thing. republic
rĭ-pŭb′lĭk
noun
A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.A nation that has such a political order.A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
Dominion is seldom used here today.
Dominion Day has gone the way of the Dodo. (To my displeasure. Canada Day is so not a historic reference).
"Canada is still formally “the Dominion of Canada” but the word Dominion is generally not used nowadays. “Dominion” was used because the United States didn’t like the first Prime Minister’s preferred name, “the Kingdom of Canada”.
A Dominion is legally a self-governing nation of the Commonwealth of Nations that acknowledges the British monarch as head of state. Thus, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. were known as “the British Dominions” since they recognize Queen Elizabeth II as their head of state. It is somewhat obsolete now.
The ruler of a region has dominion over it, and the area itself may be called the ruler's dominion. In the days of the British Empire, Great Britain had dominion over many countries throughout the world. Though Canada has been independent of Great Britain since the 19th century, its formal title remains Dominion of Canada.
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Post by Admin on Dec 6, 2021 16:51:49 GMT -5
Barbados is no longer a Constitutional Monarchy. It's a republic. Should Canada follow suit? Well in my opinion we should stay as far away as possible of becoming like the United States which in my opinion is one of the most corrupt countries in the civilized world. The powers a president has is atrocious. It's like a dictatorship. The pardons especially and the executive laws or actions. And the only way you can stop him is with impeachment. And you see how that works when the Senate votes the party line. Disagree, they are not one of the most corrupt by any means, not perfect sure but warts and all it is one of the best. They have a different system to us and I woudn't want the same. No, Canada should stay as we are, we do well with a Constitutional Monarchy. We can't get rid of a PM unless the party decides they want to then they have to have a leadership review and vote. With a majority we are also a dictatorship, they do what they like, even with a minority he pretty much does what he likes because he gets away with no Parliament and accountability. |
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Post by peeves on Dec 7, 2021 10:49:22 GMT -5
Politically and for the means of fiscal governing, how would it be worse and not better?
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BTW , 'that' quoted statement in my opinion is one of the most corrupted claim ever made in the civilized world and...beyond...
