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Post by peeves on Sept 9, 2021 11:44:41 GMT -5
Nurses, Doctors and Hospital staff are over whelmed by infections of the NON vaccinated.
The 4th wave, the shut downs, the restricted lives of the citizens even those who were diligent in doing the 'right thing' , getting their shots. The businesses,travellers,border closings, families apart, isolation's, all impacted by the ignorant! The selfish irrational the 'Anti... The cancelled treatment of ' other' patients from the overload of half available beds taken up by the infected who avoided jabs for ignorant reasons. The variants and greater likelihood of more and more variants because so many decline a jab.
The need for divisive passports because the sensible need to have security in requiring proof of vaccination against COVID-19 (later this month from residents participating in non-essential activities, such as visiting restaurants, gyms and movie theatres. ....) The need for mandated proof for employment. The fear of the vaccinated in any location where they might encounter a hold out.
Above all, ALL THOSE that have been over burdened and overwhelmed unnecessarily by the thoughtless, misanthropic, ignorant, pestiferous, pernicious, nudiks, lacking moral obligation to do what is simply right.
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Post by islandgrl on Sept 10, 2021 3:32:21 GMT -5
have a great day.
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Post by Admin on Sept 11, 2021 15:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by peeves on Sept 11, 2021 23:37:18 GMT -5
What doctors? I see none mentioned in the link. Any Doctor refusing mandated injection won't be working in health care. Any in health care refusing a jab is soon to be out of a job as are others of their ilk in many companies.
Whoever is able and declines a shot is an imbecile. Some would rather take horse deworm meds that a proven COVID shot. I have but one wish, If someone in their family, extended friends, dies or is disabled from COVID, they see the error of their was. These fools are putting us in danger, adding treatment costs, and delaying other patients treatment.
The USA has now had well over 625,000 deaths and who knows how many disabled for months/life, yet there are yet asinine holdouts that won't do what is necessary .
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Post by jezz on Sept 13, 2021 3:32:38 GMT -5
I think the vaxed vs unvaxed is political, it divides people and causes anger. It's not the unvaxed who should be shamed, totally wrong for a government to say if they want people to come together. My question is why aren't the people with natural immunities being counted? We don't hear natural immunities being effected by the variants, why is that? Why are there studies being done on natural immunity. Oh well, maybe the government would lose control of totalitarian over the people, they would have to admit they are wrong? The vaccine isn't deterring the Delta variant, And they want you to have a booster of the same vaccine that isn't going to work? What? The US government is allowing open borders and transporting all those people to every state in masses., WITHOUT being tested or VAXED! They are spreading all kinds of disease in fact. That's why you are seeing such high numbers. And of course the government isn't forcing those illegals to get a vax either. WHY IS THAT? Do you really trust what they government is doing? I sure don't None of what they are doing makes any kind of common sense. I believe is all about power over the masses.
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Post by peeves on Sept 13, 2021 9:33:08 GMT -5
A) The vaccine IS deterring the Delta variant.
B) It IS the unvaxed who should be shamed, If they have no reason to not get vaccinated beyond childish irrational reasoning.
When there is a vaccine for a disease that will protect people, why should I risk infection by some nut case that refuses the vaccine. If you refuse a vaccination then you should be disallowed from entry to venues of assembly..I want to know that everyone in a public place has been vaccinated, or, keep them out.
Vaccines have been administered for generations,many mandated vaccines. - I.E. "By 1900, nearly half of the states required children to be vaccinated before beginning school. By 1963, 20 states, Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico mandated a variety of vaccines for children"
The term 'natural immunity' is really a misnomer as it is commonly used. Natural Immunity AFTER an infection has been studied.
"The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time. It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.
🔹People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research. "
Is there such a thing as natural immunity to the coronavirus?
"Over the past several months, a series of studies has found that some people mount an extraordinarily powerful immune response against SARS-CoV-2. Their bodies produce very high levels of antibodies, but they also make antibodies with great flexibility — likely capable of fighting off the variants of coronavirus circulating in the world but also likely effective against variants that may emerge in the future.
"One could reasonably predict that these people will be quite well-protected against most — and perhaps all of — the SARS-CoV-2 variants that we are likely to see in the foreseeable future," says Paul Bieniasz, a virologist at the Rockefeller University who helped to lead several of the studies."
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Post by jezz on Sept 14, 2021 3:15:48 GMT -5
A) The vaccine IS deterring the Delta variant.
B) It IS the unvaxed who should be shamed, If they have no reason to not get vaccinated beyond childish irrational reasoning.
When there is a vaccine for a disease that will protect people, why should I risk infection by some nut case that refuses the vaccine. If you refuse a vaccination then you should be disallowed from entry to venues of assembly..I want to know that everyone in a public place has been vaccinated, or, keep them out.
Vaccines have been administered for generations,many mandated vaccines. - I.E. "By 1900, nearly half of the states required children to be vaccinated before beginning school. By 1963, 20 states, Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico mandated a variety of vaccines for children"
The term 'natural immunity' is really a misnomer as it is commonly used. Natural Immunity AFTER an infection has been studied.
"The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time. It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.
🔹People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research. "
Is there such a thing as natural immunity to the coronavirus?
"Over the past several months, a series of studies has found that some people mount an extraordinarily powerful immune response against SARS-CoV-2. Their bodies produce very high levels of antibodies, but they also make antibodies with great flexibility — likely capable of fighting off the variants of coronavirus circulating in the world but also likely effective against variants that may emerge in the future.
"One could reasonably predict that these people will be quite well-protected against most — and perhaps all of — the SARS-CoV-2 variants that we are likely to see in the foreseeable future," says Paul Bieniasz, a virologist at the Rockefeller University who helped to lead several of the studies."
Research in Israel showing people who have already had Covid have higher immunity to fight against the variants. Natural Immunity is Stronger and Longer Oxford University Study Shows Vaccinated people can still cause the spread of the virus. How protective is natural immunity and older people getting the vaccine? Studies are showing a booster is needed for the elderly. How many times will we need a booster when each variant comes around is in question. How protective is natural immunity? www.acsh.org/news/2021/03/24/how-protective-natural-immunity-covid-19-15424
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Post by jezz on Sept 14, 2021 3:26:33 GMT -5
So I have to say that I believe the 'Natural Immunity' is working and really should be counted as an immune person to the virus. It can't be ignored! Sure they are saying a naturally immune person who gets one shot of the vax can be super immune, but why would one do that without the studies showing the benefit? For me I have not had the virus, I have had the vax, two shots. This will not work with the variants around now. So what now I have to get boosters? Hog wash, I rather get the virus and hope for the best. If I do get the virus I do hope the monocholonal antibody treatment is available to me. With all the Fauci politicization over here, it's left people without vital treatments. Shameful!
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Post by peeves on Sept 14, 2021 10:32:27 GMT -5
So I have to say that I believe the 'Natural Immunity' is working and really should be counted as an immune person to the virus. It can't be ignored! Sure they are saying a naturally immune person who gets one shot of the vax can be super immune, but why would one do that without the studies showing the benefit? For me I have not had the virus, I have had the vax, two shots. This will not work with the variants around now. So what now I have to get boosters? Hog wash, I rather get the virus and hope for the best. If I do get the virus I do hope the monocholonal antibody treatment is available to me. With all the Fauci politicization over here, it's left people without vital treatments. Shameful! "Whaa? "This will not work with the variants around now". Of course it does! 2 shots work . They become less effective over time, especially in the aged hence the need for a booster shot. We get updated booster shots for other things..flu Pneumonia, etc.
Near 700,000 Americans have died and uncountable suffered and still suffer after effects from COVID 19 infection. Infections run the gamut of effects from cold like symptoms to months of agony or death.
Vaccines work.
And contrary to your claim, studies have and are going on continuously. Why do you claim that?
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Post by jezz on Sept 15, 2021 2:31:47 GMT -5
Yes, studies continue. Follow the studies, the science! Flue vaccines are updated all the time due to variants as well. What's wrong with monoclonal's? Studies show they work. Why is it no one is getting the flu now?
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Post by peeves on Sept 15, 2021 9:44:41 GMT -5
Yes, studies continue. Follow the studies, the science! Flue vaccines are updated all the time due to variants as well. What's wrong with monoclonal's? Studies show they work. Why is it no one is getting the flu now? If there's scientific proof that treatment works with thorough research, go for it. Covid as flu will have variants probably forever. The fewer cases of infections the less opportunities developing variants. 85 to 90 % of infections resulting in severe cases in ICU or deaths are in the NON vaccinated.
Yet fake-false lies are being circulated to the contrary.
Vaccines work but liars and Anti Vaxxers spread lies on the internet and at their demonstrations.
I don't insist that everyone get vaccinated against their choice, but, if they don''t they must accept the consequences of infection or restrictions on where they are welcome.
I.E. you can't smoke in a restaurant.
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