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Post by wildbill on Aug 22, 2021 10:34:20 GMT -5
I'm curious now how many who were so glad to have Trump fall and Biden take his place think it has worked out for the better!
"Democracy is a system where the little guy knows what he wants and deserves to get it, good and hard!" - H L Mencken
Wild Bill
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Post by Admin on Aug 23, 2021 19:40:58 GMT -5
IMO it hasn`t, Biden has really botched the Afghanistan withdrawal and the border situation. Congress maybe a calmer place but only because the Democrats are not spending all their time trying to unseat a duly elected President.
Washington Times said this:
You have to give President Biden credit for consistency. Unfortunately, he has been consistently wrong. As Robert Gates, former defense secretary in the Obama administration, once put it, Biden has “been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”
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Post by mrstime on Aug 24, 2021 16:53:00 GMT -5
IMO it hasn`t, Biden has really botched the Afghanistan withdrawal and the border situation. Congress maybe a calmer place but only because the Democrats are not spending all their time trying to unseat a duly elected President. Washington Times said this: You have to give President Biden credit for consistency. Unfortunately, he has been consistently wrong. As Robert Gates, former defense secretary in the Obama administration, once put it, Biden has “been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” I think it is too easy to blame Biden, his info may have been very different from what happened. Who knew the US trained Afghan military wouldn't put up any resistance go the Taliban, and the Taliban would take the entire country in a few days. |
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Post by peeves on Aug 25, 2021 10:46:40 GMT -5
Biden's government has been disastrous. He failed to control illegal border crossing. He blew the Afghan exit.
As for the query posed, to wit, " Who knew the US trained Afghan military wouldn't put up any resistance go the Taliban, and the Taliban would take the entire country in a few days. " I did, it was inevitable if you know Afghan history, and so did the the intelligence agencies knowing that the Taliban was readying for a takeover. If I could expect that, surely intelligence agencies could, AND they did.
Once Trump announced an exit date (before Christmas) the Taliban began moving their military around major cities. That was known. Once air support for Afghani military was stopped, the Afghani military were defenceless and had no other choice. That was known.
Once that the idiot Biden openly declared as policy, an official date, the Afghani army was compromised and could never stand against the Taliban, that was common intelligence,---just a matter of time before the inevitable end,
"Intelligence agencies for years predicted that the Taliban would ultimately regain control of Afghanistan, but the timelines for such a takeover varied and did not include a collapse in a matter of weeks.
The assessments from this summer did, however, question whether Afghan security forces would stand and fight after U.S. and coalition forces left."
Yet given the Afghan history, The USA and allies should have been out of Afghan well over a decade ago. The mission was to eradicate al Qaeda, Osama and neutralize the Taliban's ability to support terrorism, not to 'Democratize' Afghanistan, that would never be achievable if history was considered.
Some might recall the USA's unintended build up of the TALIBAN by USA opposing the Russians.
Blame Jimmy Carter along with others.."The first U.S. intervention in Afghanistan began then, too, following a coup that brought a Marxist-leaning government to power in 1978. In July 1979, President Jimmy Carter authorized a joint CIA operation with Pakistani intelligence services (ISI) to fund the mujahideen,
"Among the beneficiaries – indirectly if not directly – of the massive U.S. assistance through Operation Cyclone were al Qaeda and the most radical faction of the mujahideen, the Taliban. During their brutal rule from 1996-2001, the Taliban allowed the militant organization al Qaeda and its Saudi leader, Osama bin Laden, to establish its base of operations in Afghanistan, where both the Taliban and al Qaeda purchased or acquired U.S.-supplied weaponry from Pakistan. Throughout the 1990s, Al Qaeda cultivated its grievances with the West to draw recruits from across the world to organize, train, and carry out terrorist attacks against the United States. Their operations in Afghanistan culminated, of course, with the hijacking and crashing of airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001 causing the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans. This attack led to the U.S. decision to attack and invade Afghanistan a month later.
The Allies stayed too long at enormous cost, left the Afghani's in pretty much the same Islamist pickle and set themselves up for a disastrous exit.
It began in 1979 for the USA. The rest is rhetoric.
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 19:05:22 GMT -5
Agree no one expected that it would fall so quickly, it was a shock. I do think Biden did it too quickly and should've extended the deadline. |
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Post by peeves on Aug 27, 2021 10:13:15 GMT -5
If you tell your enemy that he will be free and clear to do whatever by a given date, they will start preparations.
It's no secret that they were told,... and that Afghani military would be compromised and have no recourse to quit, having no support.
Trump said the USA Troops would be out of Afghanistan much before Biden reacted.. " The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal. Those 5,000 Taliban reinforced their 'brothers'.
And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership."
"Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31, despite obvious signs that the Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.”
Biden assured Americans last month that a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was “not inevitable,” and denied that U.S. intelligence assessed that the Afghan government would likely collapse. But it did — and quickly." I would add AS ANY WITH a modicum of sense would/should have expected.
Who is to blame. Those that maintained a force in Afghanistan beyond original objectives, and certainly after OSAMA was killed. May 2, 2011. That was the conclusion of the initial objectives The Taliban takeover was inevitable at any point in time given an opportunity. Inevitable!
Any following the Afghan history would immediately conclude that the Taliban would be in power in a matter of days since they were already prepared to attack.
You may follow the sequence of events at this link.
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