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Post by jezz on Sept 7, 2021 4:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by peeves on Sept 7, 2021 7:47:48 GMT -5
There is no doubt that the USA should have been out at least a decade ago.(OSAMA OP) There is no doubt the Taliban would regain control 'whenever'. There is no doubt Trumps forced release of Taliban prisoners and announced date of leaving contributed to the chaos. There is no doubt that Biden's similar date and knee jerk exodus caused mayhem when all he needed to do sensibly was to consult with allies FIRST,never announce, gradually withdraw and provide continuing air cover,drones with promises to do so even had he no intention of doing so for another year.
What Biden did was a fiasco, a complete and ignominious failure.
He stands by his decision! Such a putz.
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Post by jezz on Sept 8, 2021 6:00:11 GMT -5
I do agree we should have pulled out years ago. But we should never have given a whole country to a terrorist group, NEVER. He put the whole world in danger, not just the US. He needs to be held accountable for this.
Did you know the leader of the Afghan government was Biden pick? Yup, corruption going on here. This too needs to be investigated. We all know the Biden family traveled the world embezzling and profiting, even in China and Russia. Does anyone think he didn't do the same in Afghanistan? Something is definitely afoul!
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Post by peeves on Sept 8, 2021 9:40:49 GMT -5
*Read above post . Truncated for brevity They the Taliban, held power in Afghanistan since '89, were a factor in Afghanistan since 1986, helped somewhat even by the USA who was supporting any Russia involvement. IPSO facto what was then is now. Sharia law was imposed and has been again.
"we should never have given a whole country to a terrorist group" Who is we? "We' are not word police. "We' are not responsible for countries with religious / political Sharia laws elsewhere so why should we be in Afghanistan? Sharia law if followed in ,
1 Afghanistan
2 Iran
3 Iraq
4 Maurtania
5 Pakistan
6 Saudi Arabia
7 Sudan
8 Yemen
Do "WE intervene anywhere 'WE don't see 'our' democratic values? Biden nor any POTUS is warranted in attempting to overthrow another government ONLY if said government threatens the USA as did Osama bin Laden TWENTY YEARS AGO AND LONG GONE. There are indeed many Islamic SUNNI countries at odds with Shia'. Is Sharia law is the Taliban's religion it's not the only country practising same.
Where has the Taliban attacked other countries? Twenty years ago they supported al-Qaeda IN Afghanistan. Cerainly the Taliban IS a terrorist group..IN AFGHANISTAN, NOT in attacking (now), the "we" unless you know of other facts to the contrary.
"The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979 in support of the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) which ruled the country at the time. The PDPA was a communist party that was widely unsupported in Afghanistan, leading to conflict between the state and the masses.
The Soviet’s arrival was met with resistance by the Afghan mujahideen, a rebel group unified by anti-communist and Islamic beliefs. The mujahideen fought the Soviet Union for the duration of the 1980’s– and were even assisted by the U.S. government’s Central Intelligence Agency.
along with the Taliban. The Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan by 1989.
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Post by jezz on Sept 9, 2021 5:02:36 GMT -5
I meant to say WE should not have pulled out of Afghanistan until WE got all westernized Afghans and Americans out of there. This is most likely over half the population. Right now WE, the US, face seeing possible hostages and demands for money for their release.
WE face possible terrorists coming into our country with unvetted Afghans that got on those planes already. WE face terrorist rising up attacking America again. They may be even come sliding into the open Mexican border. Geez!
This is the WE I'm talking about. We have no business trying to rule other countries. That's a mistake, it was a mistake to stay in Afghanistan I believe. But now getting in and out of the middle east will be also difficult as well is what I'm reading due to Afghanistan's location.
How is Canada vetting these Afghans coming in? Will these Afghans conform to Canadian law then. Will they spread out or commune together? I thin in the US they are everywhere, not just in one place. Do you trust some of these guys?
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Post by peeves on Sept 9, 2021 9:34:03 GMT -5
I meant to say WE should not have pulled out of Afghanistan until WE got all westernized Afghans and Americans out of there. This is most likely over half the population. Right now WE, the US, face seeing possible hostages and demands for money for their release. WE face possible terrorists coming into our country with unvetted Afghans that got on those planes already. WE face terrorist rising up attacking America again. They may be even come sliding into the open Mexican border. Geez! This is the WE I'm talking about. We have no business trying to rule other countries. That's a mistake, it was a mistake to stay in Afghanistan I believe. But now getting in and out of the middle east will be also difficult as well is what I'm reading due to Afghanistan's location. How is Canada vetting these Afghans coming in? Will these Afghans conform to Canadian law then. Will they spread out or commune together? I thin in the US they are everywhere, not just in one place. Do you trust some of these guys? I doubt that Canada would catch any wanna be terrorist unless some other Afghani turned them in. Bleeding hearts always see the side of the 'refugee' and often ignore the threat to the country.
In the 'normal' times Canada accepted bin Laden's bud terrorist(s), Said Kahdar as an immigrant. Not great vetting there!
Said Khadr, father of Omar, from Egypt, and Maha Elsamnah, a Palestinian. His father worked for Muslim charities in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the family moved frequently between Canada and Pakistan, becoming friendly with Osama bin Laden, mastermind of the al-Qaeda terrorist group.
In 2002, following the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent United States invasion of Afghanistan, Omar Khadr’s father sent him to Afghanistan to act as a translator. Later that year, Khadr, 15, was the only survivor among a group of militants in a firefight with American forces. Khadr was accused of throwing a number of grenades that killed US Sgt. Christopher Speer and blinded Sgt. Layne Morris in one eye.
Then there's the general lack of vetting, i.e.
...and the case of Ahmed Rasam..Ahmed was arrested in 1995 in Pakistan in connection with a bombing of the Egyptian embassy, but was freed a year later. Ahmed was later a suspect in the al-Qaeda 9/11 terror attacks in New York and Washington, DC. But he managed to get into Canada.
Excerpt. More to be read. MR. WATTENBERG: It is certainly the world’s most important economic boundary, more than $1 billion of trade travels between the U.S. and Canada every day. That much traffic means that both countries often end up welcoming unwelcome individuals. In December of 1999, an Algerian man, Ahmed Rasam (sp), was arrested in Port Angeles, Washington, while trying to enter America from Canada. Rasam was suspected of seeking to disrupt Seattle’s millennium celebration, subsequently canceled due to the threat. Investigators later linked this case to a larger plot with ties to Saudi exile Osama bin Laden. A search or Rasam’s car by Customs agents turned up more than 100 pounds of potential bomb making material. The threat is real, in February 1993 a 1,200-pound nitrate car bomb killed 6 Americans and injured over 1,000 at the World Trade Center, the worst foreign led terrorist incident in U.S. history.
MR. THOMPSON: Canada is an attractive place for insurgents and for organized criminals from all over the world.
"MR. THOMPSON: The Ahmed Rasam case is not a question of the Canadian system for security, checks and balances of who enters the country, it’s not a case of the Canadian system failing, it’s an example of the Canadian system functioning as it normally does. Here was a person who had already a background of involvement in organized crime, he made a claim for refugee status. We accepted that claim, as we do for all refugees, no matter how thin their claims may be, and that started the whole refugee process. When he decided to abandon his claim, because it might be turned down, he went underground and nobody ever looked for him.
(Emphasis mine)
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Post by jezz on Sept 11, 2021 5:09:20 GMT -5
Sounds like Danger to me Peeves. Both our countries are in serious trouble it seems with the lack of vetting and bleeding hearts think it's ok to trust terrorist refugees.
I just heard the Taliban is offering the Bagram base to the Chinese. Not good, not good at all. Super terrorists!
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Post by campy on Sept 11, 2021 7:59:18 GMT -5
Trump signed the surrender papers in Arabic letters. He negotiated with the terrorists and the Afghans were not invited to the talks at the insistence of the Taliban. After that it's a downhill run and chaos.
When you negotiate with the devil what do you expect. When the time comes just pull out like the Russians did. No concessions, no deadlines, just leave.
Both presidents are to blame. They both are commanders in chief. Biden should have rejected all prior agreements, but he too was anxious to get the troops out. A fatal flaw.
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