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Post by jezz on Sept 7, 2021 4:00:06 GMT -5
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Post by wildbill on Sept 7, 2021 9:31:21 GMT -5
Note how Justin Kardashian AND the media are portraying the protesters as exclusively anti-vaxxers.
The reality is that he has hurt and disgusted a great many Canadians to the point where things have started to boil over and some feel the need to strike back.
At the risk of sounding like an American Democrat I condone the violence but I can understand why it is happening.
Wild Bill
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Post by peeves on Sept 7, 2021 15:02:45 GMT -5
Note how Justin Kardashian AND the media are portraying the protesters as exclusively anti-vaxxers. The reality is that he has hurt and disgusted a great many Canadians to the point where things have started to boil over and some feel the need to strike back. At the risk of sounding like an American Democrat I condone the violence but I can understand why it is happening. Wild Bill Every fault they list on our P.M is trudeau sorry true though..same thing really just a pun intended..
The protesters are certainly not only anti-vaxxers. As you point out, many see through the glib, smug,insincerity, and superficiality of Trudeau. His true self is coming more apparent as he attacks.
O'Toole is looking more and more prime ministerial and Trudeau more the drama teacher he was.
Violence can never be acceptable yet I believe Trudeau too is beginning to understand the reasons.
As for the Anti-Vaxxers, they need to be reigned in by our police, who seem to be quite happy ushering them around and protecting them rather than in doing their jobs.
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Post by Admin on Sept 7, 2021 20:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by peeves on Sept 7, 2021 20:46:23 GMT -5
Anyone refusing a jab should not be allowed in any public-government-private company-restaurant-theatre- retirement home, elevator- community hall or gathering place where they endanger others.
Hospitals are being loaded with the infected -un vaccinated, to a level 75-80 %.
Treatment for others with needs of surgery etc. are being held up and even dying because of an anti-vaxxer who cares nothing for others.
Vaccines have been used for years and often are mandatory as are seat belts and even pants  in eating establishments. Alternatively you wear pants, use seat belts and are obliged to get insurance and a license to drive.
Society has laws and anti-vaxxers need comply or face consequences. I do not feel an anti -vaxxer has rights that endanger others and tie up our Drs and hospitals. A passport or equivalent should be compulsory. An employer should make a jab/passport a condition of employment with failure to do so..termination.
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Post by jezz on Sept 8, 2021 5:11:15 GMT -5
It violates a doctors OATH to discriminate against anit-vaxers and not treat them. Shameful!
I hope you guys get a different Prime Minister. Trudeau is showing his true colors, people don't want to lose their freedoms.
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Post by Admin on Sept 11, 2021 15:51:33 GMT -5
I'm not great with refusing anti vaxxers health care, it's a slippery slope. “If you’re gay & get AIDS, no ICU bed for you” “If you’re fat & have a heart attack, I won’t help you because you’re own bad decisions put you at risk” “If you OD, sorry, emergency room is closed, shouldn’t have done drugs” Where do you draw the line?
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Post by peeves on Sept 11, 2021 23:46:03 GMT -5
It violates a doctors OATH to discriminate against anit-vaxers and not treat them. Shameful! I hope you guys get a different Prime Minister. Trudeau is showing his true colors, people don't want to lose their freedoms. I must have missed the doctor referenced. Which Doctor refused health care? Where was this discrimination exactly? And, just which freedoms are we losing? Please elucidate.
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Post by peeves on Sept 11, 2021 23:54:46 GMT -5
I'm not great with refusing anti vaxxers health care, it's a slippery slope. “If you’re gay & get AIDS, no ICU bed for you” “If you’re fat & have a heart attack, I won’t help you because you’re own bad decisions put you at risk” “If you OD, sorry, emergency room is closed, shouldn’t have done drugs” Where do you draw the line? RE: "I'm not great with refusing anti vaxxers health care,". None should be denied health care but some are because anyi vaccers are contracting Covid in much higher numbers than the vaccinated and---- to worse symptoms/cost.
You analogy is quite a stretch. Those issues generally don't cause a world wide pandemic. That and other laws, seat belts for one instance are laws for the protection of others. Your examples don't meet that test, more 'the sky is falling' warnings..
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Post by wildbill on Sept 12, 2021 11:06:55 GMT -5
I don't hold with denying care for the simple reason that it is illegal in Canada to pay yourself for an alternative!
In effect, if you need medical care and our system won't help you then you might die. Doesn't matter if you're a zillionaire - it's the public sector or the mortuary.
No one ever seems to consider the ethics of such a system but that's the way it is in Canada.
Wild Bill
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Post by peeves on Sept 12, 2021 12:26:31 GMT -5
I don't hold with denying care for the simple reason that it is illegal in Canada to pay yourself for an alternative! In effect, if you need medical care and our system won't help you then you might die. Doesn't matter if you're a zillionaire - it's the public sector or the mortuary. No one ever seems to consider the ethics of such a system but that's the way it is in Canada. Wild Bill We have two tier.."to pay yourself" to a degree in Canada now, especially in Quebec.
"The rules and regulations that are underlying a one-tier health system are vague, and people in Canada are able to get away with better health care than others. The one-tier system fails to fully support its citizens with free health care when it comes to drugs, and a number of services. Many privileged, educated, and affluent individuals are already able to receive faster and more efficient services than those without. This does not reflect equality among all citizens of Canada. I believe that Canada, despite what the government advocates, has a two-tier health care system."
Canada two tier health in Quebec and in attempts elsewhere. When we look at data from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), which compares the wealthy countries of the world, we see that Canada is well ahead of most peer countries in terms of private financing, with a whopping 30 per cent of our health expenditures paid for through private health insurance or out-of-pocket spending.
The wealthy, the athletes, get special paid for treatments. The USA is always advertising for treatment for Canadians on Canadian T.V. Just fly over.
believe you can pay for COVID tests
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Post by jezz on Sept 13, 2021 3:59:23 GMT -5
It violates a doctors OATH to discriminate against anit-vaxers and not treat them. Shameful! I hope you guys get a different Prime Minister. Trudeau is showing his true colors, people don't want to lose their freedoms. I must have missed the doctor referenced. Which Doctor refused health care? Where was this discrimination exactly? And, just which freedoms are we losing? Please elucidate.
The Founded Obligations of a doctor stemming from the Hippocratic mandate. Read: As for your freedoms, Every time someone forces another to do something against their own judgement it's a loss of you personal freedom! Are you a puppet to be told what to do and how to think? That's your loss of freedom. |
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Post by campy on Sept 13, 2021 15:37:18 GMT -5
I don't hold with denying care for the simple reason that it is illegal in Canada to pay yourself for an alternative! In effect, if you need medical care and our system won't help you then you might die. Doesn't matter if you're a zillionaire - it's the public sector or the mortuary. No one ever seems to consider the ethics of such a system but that's the way it is in Canada. Wild Bill If you are a zillionair? You just go elsewhere. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2021 15:39:25 GMT -5
Most of us I'm not and I'm sure the anti vaxxers are not. Actually they aren't necessarily any vaxxers, they are against mandatory vaccinations and 'vaccine passports'.
I'm not happy with it, I saw a tweet yesterday saying they shouldn't allow the unvaccinated to use washrooms... now that to me is a human right!
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in eating establishments. Alternatively you wear pants, use seat belts and are obliged to get insurance and a license to drive.