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Post by peeves on Jul 17, 2021 17:09:21 GMT -5
The US of A seems split politically into 2 camps. Anti-vaxxers and common sense,reasonable,rational sensible adults.
The infection rate is increasing in 40 0f the 50 states yet many are in denial.
So far unfortunately,there's no vaccine for 'STUPID'.
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Post by Admin on Jul 17, 2021 20:58:24 GMT -5
I think it's the same here but maybe less so. 2 of our MPs are rabble rousing one MPP is now out of caucus. Randy Hillier, and Derek Sloane Federally.
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Post by jezz on Jul 18, 2021 6:34:55 GMT -5
The US of A seems split politically into 2 camps. Anti-vaxxers and common sense,reasonable,rational sensible adults.
The infection rate is increasing in 40 0f the 50 states yet many are in denial.
So far unfortunately,there's no vaccine for 'STUPID'.
The US has been split into two camps even before Covid happened. The democrats politicized Covid which makes it even more unlikely for people to trust getting an unapproved FDA drug. The Covid Vaccines are an experimental drug still. The scientist have no idea of long term effects. This is why people are leery of it. Always something with these drugs in the long run that can cause bad effects. In the US we have the right to deny any drug. My hubs and I are old and compromised so it made sense for the both of us to get the shot. I don't blame anyone for their decision to not get the vaccine. Don't PUSH it on people! I'm a freedom loving person, it's my choice and no others to take a drug or not. In my opinion, the CDC is also politicized and Fauci should be in jail for his corruption in paying for this experiment in Wuhan! Furthermore, the CDC has NOT tracked the many people who have natural immunity. This to me seems to be a problem. I would NOT get a vaccine on top of a natural immunity. I believe they should be tracking and testing for natural immunity in the communities! This should be a no brainer for these people in charge!
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Post by wildbill on Jul 25, 2021 9:44:18 GMT -5
The US of A seems split politically into 2 camps. Anti-vaxxers and common sense,reasonable,rational sensible adults.
The infection rate is increasing in 40 0f the 50 states yet many are in denial.
So far unfortunately,there's no vaccine for 'STUPID'.
I never see any news folks comment on the more likely reasons why people are split. I think it is much more basic. Many people no longer trust most if not all of their institutions! The vaccines are wrapped in politics. The spokespeople flip flop constantly on their advice and even their legal restrictions! I find myself not immune. I had my double jabs but not because I believed Dr. Tam and Justin Kardashian. I simply am tired of needing a mask to get on the bus and then to buy some groceries. Americans have it worse. They've been told by Democrats to get vaccinated so they won't have to keep wearing a mask and then afterwards told they must wear a mask anyway! If you're going to tell people what to do you have to maintain their confidence. There's not much of that going around anymore. Wild Bill
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Post by Admin on Jul 25, 2021 12:23:22 GMT -5
Totally agree, I don't know how Dr. Tam keeps her job, mind you, I don't think anyone knew what they were doing then, or even now. There is also too much misinformation and conspiracy theories flying around, did you know when you get jabbed they are putting a chip in you? Here we have MPs and MPPs heading up rallies for freedom etc., totally irresponsible yet many people follow them. Now we hear that we need 90% fully vaccinated, and then a third booster. I'm tired of it all and so glad we do not have young children to worry about going to school. Talking about school, I bet in September the teachers still won't want to get back.
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Post by jezz on Jul 26, 2021 2:29:08 GMT -5
The US of A seems split politically into 2 camps. Anti-vaxxers and common sense,reasonable,rational sensible adults.
The infection rate is increasing in 40 0f the 50 states yet many are in denial.
So far unfortunately,there's no vaccine for 'STUPID'.
I never see any news folks comment on the more likely reasons why people are split. I think it is much more basic. Many people no longer trust most if not all of their institutions! The vaccines are wrapped in politics. The spokespeople flip flop constantly on their advice and even their legal restrictions! I find myself not immune. I had my double jabs but not because I believed Dr. Tam and Justin Kardashian. I simply am tired of needing a mask to get on the bus and then to buy some groceries. Americans have it worse. They've been told by Democrats to get vaccinated so they won't have to keep wearing a mask and then afterwards told they must wear a mask anyway! If you're going to tell people what to do you have to maintain their confidence. There's not much of that going around anymore. Wild Bill Your right, people are not trusting the anti-American woke mob that's running the US government. They know what drive's these people, money and power. Government officials use the pandemic for control and fear mongering is their tactic. The reason the CDC advice keeps flip flopping is because they are controlled by the woke mob and unions. Money (bribes, pay-offs, donations) all play a part in who the institutions listens too. Yet in science it makes sense you have to follow the data. The data says vaccines are 99.9% effective and you can still get the virus but not as bad. Science says the Delta variant is more contagious but not as deadly. Virus mutations change, that's how it works. It tries to keep itself alive but each time it mutates it gets less deadly. And this is also why there is so many variation so the flu. In science, an air born disease passes around by spittle droplets. Droplets so small you don't know it's there. This is why medical people treating air born diseases wear negative pressure suits, wear negative pressure hoods, gown up and wear the N-95 masks. The flip-flopping of mask wearing is political because the politicians and other institutions are themselves fearful. People wanted to have something for protection. These masks people wear aren't effective, they aren't fitted to your face, virus droplets can still get in. The CDC doesn't say that, they are being told when to say wear masks and not to wear masks by the fearmongers. Dr. Redfield, the CDC director, quit his job over this mask nonsense. He saw how the CDC was being controlled. I too am very tired of the mask nonsense, Tired of the political nonsense. Tired of listening to misinformation spewed out by gov. institutions, the gov. and the president of the US. Tired of the fearmongering. Tired of big money getting thrown around to control an outcome. And so this is why people don't trust. People are not dumb, we all can read stuff and listen to science. Even medical institutions are being silenced, what's that tell you? You going to tell me high level doctors and universities who study this stuff aren't doing their own studies? Their studies are being silenced. Why? WHO. The WHO is controlled by the CCP that is telling the world information that is not true. When the US dropped the WHO, be were getting more data in the beginning, broadcast from the White House, by doctors we the people thought we could trust, the CDC and NIH. How did it get political after that? Dr. Fauci was exposed, he is in cahoots with WHO and CCP. He wanted this gain of function research. Read about that here: Fauci gain of function So we are supposed to believe this guy who lies? ---No trust!
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Post by jezz on Jul 26, 2021 2:46:58 GMT -5
Totally agree, I don't know how Dr. Tam keeps her job, mind you, I don't think anyone knew what they were doing then, or even now. There is also too much misinformation and conspiracy theories flying around, did you know when you get jabbed they are putting a chip in you? Here we have MPs and MPPs heading up rallies for freedom etc., totally irresponsible yet many people follow them. Now we hear that we need 90% fully vaccinated, and then a third booster. I'm tired of it all and so glad we do not have young children to worry about going to school. Talking about school, I bet in September the teachers still won't want to get back. Ya the microchip conspiracy. That's a good one. Shows that people are not trusting those in charge. We have a problem over here, rally's can't happen unless its a Democrat one. And even then it'll get hijacked by Antifa. Freedom is being rallied here by the people and politicians using the court system, sure takes longer, but in the end it does get the finality over with. I think their needs to be testing, extensive testing, of immunity before injecting with a third jab. Medical science has never worked that way. People should very well be leery without extensive testing first. Why isn't there testing of people who have the natural immunity? I too am glad I don't have school kids anymore. Florida is booming with people moving there because that governor does his own testing for his people. He's allowed kids to be in school all year. The data says kids are only .02% to getting the virus and they aren't transmitting. Teachers unions got some huge cash from the government, so now they think they can control the outcome, their outcome. Read a story about that here. lTeachers unions influence the CDC
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Post by peeves on Jul 26, 2021 11:49:12 GMT -5
What is seemingly ignored is the Republican base- states that with Trumpish blindness deny vaccinations. They have made the pandemic into a political football.
States that politically refuse vaccinations are conservative. This stand arises from TRUMPISM
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Post by wildbill on Jul 27, 2021 14:03:46 GMT -5
What is seemingly ignored is the Republican base- states that with Trumpish blindness deny vaccinations. They have made the pandemic into a political football.
States that politically refuse vaccinations are conservative. This stand arises from TRUMPISM
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/06/third-white-conservatives-refuse-get-vaccine-refusal-shown-both-polling-real-world/Peeves, isn't it a stretch to blame Trump for vaccine denial when if not for Trump we still wouldn't HAVE any vaccines? I still think this is all coming from Flip-flop Fauci-isms and a general distrust of authority. Not everyone has the background or the brain power to discriminate between truth and outright goofiness. After a certain point a lot of people just throw their hands up and dismiss everything they are hearing as Fake News. It's true that even after a thousand times the knock at your door might be a wolf but dammit! Few of us have the patience to maintain a logical stance. Wild Bill
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Post by peeves on Jul 28, 2021 12:22:02 GMT -5
What is seemingly ignored is the Republican base- states that with Trumpish blindness deny vaccinations. They have made the pandemic into a political football.
States that politically refuse vaccinations are conservative. This stand arises from TRUMPISM
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/06/third-white-conservatives-refuse-get-vaccine-refusal-shown-both-polling-real-world/Peeves, isn't it a stretch to blame Trump for vaccine denial when if not for Trump we still wouldn't HAVE any vaccines? I still think this is all coming from Flip-flop Fauci-isms and a general distrust of authority. Not everyone has the background or the brain power to discriminate between truth and outright goofiness. After a certain point a lot of people just throw their hands up and dismiss everything they are hearing as Fake News. It's true that even after a thousand times the knock at your door might be a wolf but dammit! Few of us have the patience to maintain a logical stance. Wild Bill "Peeves, isn't it a stretch to blame Trump for vaccine denial when if not for Trump we still wouldn't HAVE any vaccines?"
In an informed,educated word, NO it isn't.
I think the USA under Trump's Presidency with his downplaying,dismissive behaviour, poo pooing masks was and is the reasons Republicans ignored masks and shots and still do. The highly contagious Delta Variant changes policy-protocols as do the gathering of information on the disease. Surely that changes a game plan, yet you focus on a denigration as "Fauci-isms" ! Certainly I or any rational person would look to a medical authority for guidance over a compulsive liar as is Trump
"The University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation has a new analysis that suggests 900,000 people may have died of COVID-19 in the United States so far." I blame Trump for a large number of them.
Look to his following Republican States even now.
That’s almost 57% higher than the official count, which is at 580,000 or so.
Trump said "Falsely Claims The Rise Of COVID-19 Is A Conspiracy ,that it would be over by Easter 2020 and that it' was no more dangerous than the flu".
" Trump's false claim about 99% of cases being "totally harmless."
Political fact-checkers have flourished under Donald Trump, a president who according to one count uttered more than 16,000 misleading or false claims during his first three years in the White House. So who would trust the liar?
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Post by time on Jul 28, 2021 14:03:20 GMT -5
It's really simple; if you don't want to be hospitalised with a deadly illness, get the vaccine-both shots. If still in doubt, wear a mask in public.
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Post by Admin on Jul 28, 2021 19:32:53 GMT -5
Agree, too much misinformation and idiots like Randy Hillier and Derek Sloan. I also think people are concerned over how quickly the vaccine was produced and authorized.
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Post by peeves on Jul 29, 2021 9:12:53 GMT -5
Agree, too much misinformation and idiots like Randy Hillier and Derek Sloan. I also think people are concerned over how quickly the vaccine was produced and authorized. Think?? That's a definite misuse of a word. If they thought they would understand that there were trials-tests and appropriate protocols in place before employing vaccines.
I heard a naysayer defend her no vaccine stand..."I don't want to put any chemical in my body". Does she realize what is in her food?
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Post by peeves on Jul 29, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -5
It's really simple; if you don't want to be hospitalised with a deadly illness, get the vaccine-both shots. If still in doubt, wear a mask in public. 600,000 to a million are dead in the USA related one way or another to the pandemic. World wide probably to date and counting many millions. Ask the dead, "would you have taken the vaccine if you could". There's the answer from a reliable source.
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Post by wildbill on Jul 29, 2021 11:26:05 GMT -5
Once agan Peeves, I've never thought Trump was perfect. The other choices simply stank so much more than him that he appeared to be a breath of fresh air! How ya likin' Biden so far? You still seem to be stuck on Trump and only Trump. Wild Bill
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